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Barton is the better shooter, but someone has to make plays happen. I think Jindra gives the team a level of confidence they would not have had otherwise, having lost Goodson. I am still very impressed with Jindra's intensity and focus when he plays. When he's on the court, you know that anything can happen at most anytime.

My perspective on Council comes from watching them in the Kiwanis Tournament where they dessimated Clintwood and narrowly beat Haysi who I think has one of the best 3pt shooters in Southwest Virginia.

I also think its way too early to predict who might be a contender for the regionals. There's a lot of basketball games to be played including some upsets.

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Good point &amp; I agree Jindra's an active player, but D.J. Barton stirs the drink for that squad. If not for his scoring, "ability to draw fouls" for lack of a better word, and free throw shooting, Council's not a threat for regions.

And no, I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing w/you cvcgrad--just my take on Council since I've seen em play Coeburn twice.

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I don't know that you could say he is the same league. But, he is very good in his own right.

On a side note, I think McMurray is probably the best 3-pt shooter to come out of Southwest VA in a long time. I'm not sure anyone could match up with him on that particular aspect.

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Heard some talk at the tourny and wanted to ask here.
Is the kid from Kelly, I dont even remember his name, is he in teh same league with a Jessie McMurry, Brayn Bentley, Brandon Green, Zack Moore or a Doub Campbell?

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We will definitely have to "agree to disagree." You yourself stated that 99% of all technical fouls are for "unsporstmanlike" conduct. I'm not sure how anyone - a player or fan for that matter - can accidentally be unsporstmanlike. It seems to me that it takes some forethought or complete lack of thought. In this case, I think emotions ruled.

You seemed to have thought process that there's really only one side to the story, ie what Ryan intended. I am a former journalist, and I am trained to understand and realize that there is always more than one side to any story. I look at every situation from the perspective of everyone who is affected. So, yes the perception of the other player, other fans, referrees, coaches, etc are just as important as your perception or mine for that matter.

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Accidentally unsportsmanlike happens. Kind of like when there's a 15 yard face mask penalty when you're trying to grab a ball carrier's pads and your hand gets caught in the face mask, turns the head of the ball carrier, and the ref throws the flag, though your actual intent was to grab the guy's shoulder pad. It's called a personal foul, though it was unintentional. Happens all the time. Same thing in basketball man--perception is NOT reality. Being an ex journalist you ought to know that. Another situation--a pitcher's having a bad day on the mound. His go to pitch isn't working, so he tries to mix in a curveball that doesn't curve on accident and plunks the batter. Did he hit the batter on purpose or did the curveball just not curve? You don't know unless you ask. As Rock said--a coach leaving the bounds of the coach's box...accidentally losing track of where he/she's at on the sidelines and getting a technical foul. Lots of ways it can happen...but you just wanna give this kid the scarlet "T" and eject him. That's pretty one-sided if you ask me.

As for everyone's perception mattering, I disagree...no one's perception of what happened matters because Ryan knew the intent from square 1. Everyone else judged given visual evidence and not knowing what he did or did not intend to do. Once again, only he knows his mind, and his mind controls his body, and his body made the action. That's the chain of events. No one else made him do what he did on accident. It was reactionary and unfortunate--it happens...so were you a sports journalist or an actual player? If you've ever played the game, you know that there's times where you try for the steal, smack the guys arm, but you were going for the ball. A foul is called. Should the kid be denigrated and tossed from the game because he tried to hurt the ball handler's arm, or was he merely going for the steal? Same type of deal. Instead of saying "complete lack of thought", reactionary would probably be a better term when thinking of sports. Because sometimes a person makes an athletic move in reaction or out of habit, and it causes a foul or infraction unwantingly. It happens.

For an ex-journalist you've acted pretty narrow-mindedly instead of trying to see a point I'm making here. You're accusing me of making excuses for the kid when there's no excuse to be made. He committed the foul, but not due to malice, contrary to your yellow journalistic approach here in this thread. That's the only thing I take issue with is that you're implying he had ill-will towards the player when he said as much to the contrary. Quit looking for a conspiracy theory and trust the kid's word.

And just because you're trained to see all the sides to every story doesn't mean I've not already tried to see the sides to every story. Only one side of the story has the truth on it's side and it's directly from the person that committed the infraction. Everything else is discretionary and basically a guessing game. I'll take the side with the truth on it against any perceptions. The perceptions make for interesting reading, but not a lot of substance when it comes to what actually happened.

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You might want to actually watch some of the other teams in the region play before you decide what teams are in the top 10. (Just because a team beats Coeburn doesn't make them special) For example, St. Paul drilled Council by 20 last night!

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Gee that's nice. One game. Let's just go ahead and give St. Paul the Region D title right now.
I never said they were the best 2 teams in the region Widespread...I just said they were top 10. I don't really see how you can argue with that much given both wins that the teams have had this year and the talent on those teams. Your 4 best teams in the region right now are probably Twin Valley, Twin Springs, Castlewood, and Gate City, with probably St. Paul (not necessarily in that order either). For the next 5 you gotta think that Coeburn's in there, and then I don't see how you keep Grundy and Council out of any of those last 5 spots.

Who's your top 10, if you wanna be smart about it and say that Grundy &amp; Council's not in it?

nobility...

Kid's good, but he's not that good. Those guys you mentioned were pretty good all-around basketball players...this guy has issues handling the ball and running an offense from the point. His perimeter jumper is all he's got. Think Stevie Niece, but with less potential &amp; consistency, IMO.

No doubt, agree with you about the refs. There are some that I see out on the floor and you think you'll get a good fairly called consistent game. Then there are others who you wonder what side of the bed they got up on, whats on tv that they might try to make it home for, if they remember getting showed up a coach in college, etc etc etc. A game would take forever if they called everything, and truthfully, I'd rather have the refs let teams play a bit more. I'm sure if Nola gets on, he or others can tell you that they do allow a bit more physical nature come playoff time. I also wish that refs didn't have the build in foul even up system. It is absolutely horrible and makes it hard for the coaches to coach a team when they ignore a hard foul early and call a touch foul late because the foul totals are uneven. We had a game this year, no fouls I think through the third period. The opponent had 6 I think. Within 1.34 in the fourth quarter, we picked up 7 fouls. Now I'm sure that a few of those were call-worthy, but a few others were things that had went on the rest of the game but suddenly they got called. Also, since the other team had 6 for a few minutes, they could have just about committed battery and not gotten called [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] However like you said, its not a perfect world. (By the way, as long as there is room on the sides, I personally hate the coaching box, or think its a bit to small. I have no problem when a coach is working hard on the sidelines)

Yellow journalism huh? Some might say that is an intentional and childish insult. But, by your standards, only you know your intent and my perception wouldn't matter?

You couldn't be more wrong about there only being "one truth" to any story. There is always another perspective.

For the record, I never stated or implied, contrary to what you might think, that Hollyfiend intended to harm the defender or had ill will towards him. You're jumping to that conclusion all on your own. I said it was unsportsmanlike and unnecessary. Hollyfield is a better player and Coeburn is a better team than that.


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For an ex-journalist you've acted pretty narrow-mindedly instead of trying to see a point I'm making here. You're accusing me of making excuses for the kid when there's no excuse to be made. He committed the foul, but not due to malice, contrary to your yellow journalistic approach here in this thread. That's the only thing I take issue with is that you're implying he had ill-will towards the player when he said as much to the contrary. Quit looking for a conspiracy theory and trust the kid's word.

And just because you're trained to see all the sides to every story doesn't mean I've not already tried to see the sides to every story. Only one side of the story has the truth on it's side and it's directly from the person that committed the infraction. Everything else is discretionary and basically a guessing game. I'll take the side with the truth on it against any perceptions. The perceptions make for interesting reading, but not a lot of substance when it comes to what actually happened.

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Yellow journalism huh? Some might say that is an intentional and childish insult. But, by your standards, only you know your intent and my perception wouldn't matter?

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Oh please...thicken up that skin if you want to last long on the board dude...you opened that up by bringing up that you used to be a journalist. Calm down and take a lil jab when it's left wide open like that.

I'm done discussing it--you can think it was temper and look at it from one billion perspectives and spin it how you want it. I told it how it is and was and remains to be.

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You couldn't be more wrong about there only being "one truth" to any story. There is always another perspective.


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Doesn't mean it's the correct perspective.

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For the record, I never stated or implied, contrary to what you might think, that Hollyfiend intended to harm the defender or had ill will towards him. You're jumping to that conclusion all on your own. I said it was unsportsmanlike and unnecessary. Hollyfield is a better player and Coeburn is a better team than that.


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If that's the case, then see how wrong people can be when the jump to conclusions given a certain perspective? Things get twisted very easily. That's what I'm asking you to be wary of.

You have hurt me to my heart! I have only 49 posts. WOW! I guess I don't know what I'm talking about. I've just been there, done that, and bought the soundtrack, as we used to say.

See you today. I'll be the gray haired lady. Most anyone from Clintwood will tell which one is me. All I have to look for is a crazy 4 Coeburn. Remember you said that, I didn't. LOL!

I don't think that is what the poster was saying.

The point was that it's way too early to be picking top 10 teams and speculating on who will win the Region D championship. Defeating or losing to one specific team would not necessarily determine how the season is going to go.

Last year's Region D tourney should be a lesson to everyone. Pound lost twice to both Clintwood and Powell Valley during the season only to come back and elminate both teams from the LPD tournament and win a spot in the Region D tourney.

Any of the teams you've mentioned in the "top 10" could crash and burn by the end of the season.

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Gee that's nice. One game. Let's just go ahead and give St. Paul the Region D title right now.
I never said they were the best 2 teams in the region Widespread...I just said they were top 10. I don't really see how you can argue with that much given both wins that the teams have had this year and the talent on those teams. Your 4 best teams in the region right now are probably Twin Valley, Twin Springs, Castlewood, and Gate City, with probably St. Paul (not necessarily in that order either). For the next 5 you gotta think that Coeburn's in there, and then I don't see how you keep Grundy and Council out of any of those last 5 spots.

Who's your top 10, if you wanna be smart about it and say that Grundy &amp; Council's not in it?

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